THE DISAPPEARANCE OF GRANGER TAYLOR

In November 1980, Granger Taylor vanished from Vancouver Island after leaving behind a chilling note claiming he was departing on a 42-month journey aboard an alien spacecraft. A brilliant mechanic known for rebuilding planes and heavy machinery, Granger’s sudden disappearance — and the strange message he left behind — quickly turned into one of Canada’s most baffling mysteries.

When his blown-out truck was seemingly found years later, investigators were left with more questions than answers. Was this a tragic accident or something truly extraterrestrial?

In this episode, we explore the timeline, the mysterious note, and the enduring theories surrounding Granger Taylor’s unexplained disappearance. 

RESOURCES:

"B.C.'s Granger Taylor left a note saying he was boarding an alien spaceship — then he disappeared" (CBC News)

"Never Seen Again- Granger Taylor" (Season 3, Episode 11, Paramount Plus) 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

This episode contains disturbing content and brief mention of suicide, which may be distressing to some listeners. If you or someone you know is struggling, help is available. Go to findhehelpline.com to access relevant services available in your country or dial nine eight eight for the twenty-four-seven Suicide Hotline in Canada or the US. Please take care while listening.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

Katie couldn't be here today at the time of this recording. It is Easter Sunday. So Katie is busy with the little ones playing Easter Bunny. And so it's just me and AJ today. And the case I have for you today is a very strange one. And I think it's one that you haven't really, we haven't really done at all in all your the seasons of this podcast. It has to do with UFOs and aliens. And did this person get abducted? Or did he try to go up to go to space? And is he still there today? So this is the story of Granger Taylor. So the storm was heavy in Duncan, BC on the night of November 29th, 1980, and Granger Taylor was about to head out on an important mission. The storm had come, and that was his sign. He taped a note to his parents' door, got into his dad's on truck, and vanished into the night, never to be seen again, becoming one of the greatest mysteries of Vancouver Island. So Grange Ormond Taylor was an unusual child. According to his mom and stepdad, he was withdrawn and socially awkward, but what he lacked in social skills, he made up for tenfold with his extraordinary aptitude and love for mechanics. He would spend most of his childhood in his bedroom taking apart gadgets. He was very, very bright, but he dropped out of school right before ninth grade and started working as an apprentice for his neighbor as a mechanic. He had only been doing that for a year before he figured he had gathered all the skills he needed to set out on his own. So he set up shop in his parents' house and started tinkering around with his own projects. So by all accounts, Granger was considered a genius. Everyone says he's a he was literally a genius from a very, very young age. When he was 12, he actually built a car and it only took him a year, and the car was actually up and running. Not long after that, he rebuilt a bulldozer. So he's 12 years old building a car that runs. It's that's unheard of. Every morning around 8 a.m., him and his best friend Robert would go out to his farm, his parents' farm, and Granger would work on airplanes or spaceships or a cosmic doorway. He actually rebuilt an entire airplane from just looking at photos. And when he was done, the plane looked identical to the replica. And he would actually, he actually would get got the airplane to hover above the ground using chains and a tree. Um he didn't have a runway, so he made do. And he used the throttle that actually had it hovering. And people would come all over to watch him demonstrate this. So this is a guy who was in his teens who built an airplane. It's just insane. So actually, a kitty hawk plane from the Second World War that uh Granger restored was actually on display for years in the Duncan area. With he's from Duncan, BC, a small town on Vancouver Island. And then a private collector actually purchased it and now it's displayed in North Dakota, the airplane that he built. Um, and then some of Granger's restored trains and cars have made their way into the BC Forest Discovery Center in Duncan. So he was everyone was amazed by this kid who would build cars and airplanes, and they actually ended up displaying them in museums and stuff. Eventually, he actually put together like a spaceship, kind of. He made it by putting together two satellite dishes, and that that spaceship kind of became like a hangout for everyone, for all his friends, and he actually kind of used that spaceship as like a meditation set. Like he would go there to meditate and kind of gather his thoughts, and that was like his think tank as well. So that's that was his life. Uh, before 1980, he was uh just a genius building all these uh mechanical things. He was obsessed with spaceships and aliens, and he was just living his life in the small town of Duncan. So the strangeness of the story all began in early November of 1980. So this is when Granger he actually started having dreams of aliens, and he would tell his friends and family that in these dreams aliens would communicate with them and they would tell him they wanted him to come to his to their planet. And when his friends hear this, they laugh it off, like, okay, whatever you say, Granger. And like Granger didn't have a history of making things up, he wasn't a liar, he wasn't someone who like told grandiose stories. So, I mean, some people actually like when he said this, they actually like, oh, like they believed him. But Granger can't get over how vivid the dreams are, and he swears to his friends that these dreams are real, and he goes on to tell his friends that like every night the aliens actually come in his room and stand by his bed. And each time they come, they would give him a little bit more information and then a little bit more, and then a little bit more. He then said, when the aliens do come to get him, it will be under the cover of a storm. And the storm will, because the storm will hide the noise of the spaceship. He describes the spaceship they would arrive they would arrive in on as about a mile across in size, so the aliens will have to hide it above the clouds. And every single night he would have a dream like this, and it would continue for weeks. So, right before the night he vanished, he got into his truck and he drove around the small town of Duncan, telling everyone he was going on an interstellar voyage. I'm not really sure what these people around town thought. I mean, Duncan is a very small town, everyone knows, everyone knows everyone, everyone uh knew Granger, he had he was very likable, there was nothing off or kooky or crazy about him. No one had a bad thing to say about him. So some of them really were like, oh, good for you. Like he they really thought he was going on interstellar voyage. So on the night of November 29th, 1980, a huge storm arrives. Um, and it's actually the weather system actually calls it the storm of the century. It was like a huge storm, apparently. It was like the biggest storm in a hundred years on on in Duncan. There was thunder, lightning, a bunch of trees were blown down. So on this night, um, Granger's parents find a note on their door. And it's from Granger, and the note says, Dear mother and father, I have gone away to walk aboard an alien spaceship as recurring dreams assured a 42-month interstellar voyage to explore the vast universe, then return. I am leaving behind all my possessions to you, as I will no longer require the use of any. Please use the instructions in my will as a guide to help. Love Granger. And then on the back of this note, there's like a hand-drawn map of Waterloo Mountain, which is not far from his family's farm. So after reading this and they find out Granger isn't home and no one knows where he is, this is when they call the police to report him missing. And the police start searching for him right away. So they go into the town of Duncan, which was the last place he was seen. The police round up all the witnesses who had seen Granger that last night. They talked to people at gas stations, shops, and restaurants, and they wanted to see if Granger had mentioned anything about where he was going or if he planned to bring any provisions or anything. But everyone the police spoke to say the same thing. He mentioned an interstellar voyage. He came to say goodbye, and they said he told me he was going to be taken. But other than that, nothing. He didn't seem out of it or on something. It was just a normal Granger. And it's weird because I there's a there's an episode called um an episode of Never Seen Again. And in it, people are just so normal about the fact that he was like going on an interstellar voyage. They didn't, they were like, oh, help we'll see you when you get back. Like they didn't they didn't think it was odd. I don't know. It's just it's weird to me. As someone who's like a little bit like, mm-hmm I don't know about UFOs or aliens or whatever, like they were just like, okay, we'll see you in 42 months. Like it's just, it's odd, the reaction of the residents.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

Do they get interviewed? Like, do they actually get interviewed?

SPEAKER_01 9:39

His sister and his fan do. Um, the police do, and then just in other articles and stuff I've read, more people talk about it, and he's just so like, all right, he's he's going on a voyage. It's just it's I don't know. It's it's weird. I I I I don't know. So he's going around town saying goodbye to everyone. He'll be back if we wait two months, he's going up to space. They're just like, alright, we'll see you when you get back. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

It's just Did they actually think that though, or are they just saying that to him? Like, oh, we'll see you when you get back. Like maybe kind of like, you know, like humoring him, even though they were kind of like, okay, this is I'm sure some of them were, but you'll s you'll see later on, like some people still think he he's he's in space.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

So it was just normal Granger to say this, though nothing they didn't think anything weird about him coming to say goodbye or anything. Police then discovered that Granger left a will, but he made two alterations of this will. So the first alteration was the word funeral was deleted. And then the second um alteration was the word death was deleted and replaced by the word departure. So that's just a little like strange. So literally, like he just that's he vanished. And for six years, everyone thought he was on a voyage, I guess. Like, there's no sign of him. He left with his own and police never thought for one second there was foul play. They never thought they just thought he took off. And like they nothing, they had nothing to really go on. He left during a storm by himself in a truck. They didn't really know what p where to start, really looking for him. So for six years, there's no there's no sign of him at all. And then in 1986, uh some tree planters are in the Duncan area on a rural road when they come across a wreckage of some sort. Upon closer inspection, they see it is a vehicle. And the vehicle is completely destroyed, and the engine is in such a state that it looks like it was part of some sort of explosion. And some part of the some parts of the vehicles were located up in trees several meters away. Um, so the investigators and the members of his family head up to take a look. And the investigators, like, when he went missing, they have Granger's vehicle registration number and the vehicle identification number, and they are able to determine that the truck is Granger's. But other people, like, who to me, it is his then. If it's if if that's like that there's no dispute, that's his, it matches his registration. But there's people that like that people aren't so sure that that is his truck. The big because the biggest thing is like to this day, the color of Granger's truck has never been confirmed, and it's still something that is debated to this day. So the truck that was found was a bluish color. But everyone says Granger's truck was never blue. His truck had been brown, and then Robert, his best friend, said they had painted the truck like Pepto Abysmal pink. But then a stepbrother says, no, it was never pink, it was grey. So whether it was gray or pink, it's sure not this bright blue that they found.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

But maybe like do you think like if maybe if it caught on fire, if it exploded, like maybe that changes like the heat, you know, changes the color or like the tint of it. Cause like I feel like maybe that it's possible. Like, wait, what color did they say it was when it was found?

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Blue. It's like a bright blue, but like his best friend saying it was peptobysmal pink when he left, and then his stepfroth's like, it was never pink. So right away it's like that's they're like, and to this day, they still can't agree on what color his truck was when he had left. So people think it's not his truck, but the the I I mean the the register matches his. But and like it's so weird that they I think it has to be his truck. Like if the VIN number matches, like that's literally the point of a VIN number, is like but people still stay like that even his like stepbrother's death, and it's like that's that's not his truck up there.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

It's just not like my first thought I think is like maybe if something catches fire, like it does maybe change the color of it or the the the the shade of it or something, right? Like, I don't know. That's a good point. Especially if it's spray painted, like maybe like when that burns off or like when it gets exposed to heat, like maybe it changes. I don't know the side, I'm not a I don't know the physics of that.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

I just wondered though, but like Yeah, I yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

But that was my first thought. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

And I'm like, well, maybe like he disappeared and then he could have painted it again before he something happened to him. But um also like the fact that like people in his life, close people in his life, his family and his friends can't agree on the color that it was, that's a little weird. So to this day, you know, in 2026, the it's still not settled on what color his truck actually was, which is just so weird to me because his friend's like, I I helped him paint it pink. And his stepfrother's like, it was never pink. It's like, what? So it's yeah, that's weird. Right? It's it's very weird. So people think it's not his truck, but the registration like to me, if they say, Oh, this is truck based off the registration, okay, that's his truck. But his set peop a lot of people in the community and his friends and family, like that's not his truck. Like when they've seen it, like that's not his truck. Like it's weird. I don't know.

unknown 15:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

But you wouldn't think like you the VIN is the VIN, like even if even if you paint it, the VIN number is gonna be the identifier.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

It's weird that like his family's still saying that's that's not his truck. And but it's the VIN number. To me, VIN number, okay, that that's that's that is the vehicle.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

But like to me, like if I to me, I would think like if I was I mean, I it's hard to say what you'd think in their position, but for me, it's almost like I would think, okay, it it is the truck, so how do we explain the change of color? Someone else painted it, someone else tried to like tried to hide the fact that it was. Like, I wouldn't say it's not the truck. I'm like, I think the VIN makes it clear it is the truck. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Yeah, but they're like, it's that that's not his truck. Not everyone thinks that, but some people in this life, they're like, that's that's not Granger's truck. It's just it's just weird. It's it's it's yeah. So also while at the scene, Granger's stepbrother comes across a piece of cloth from a shirt that matched a shirt Granger owned. And it was just like a shirt you can buy at a mall that like a million people have. It was actually like a piece of shirt that Granger's mother had made of. It was like a unique shirt that Granger was I don't and it's not clear if he wore it the day he went missing or if he just used to wear it a lot, but it's like a piece of cloth from a shirt that Granger used to wear all the time. That's found at the scene. So that that's another thing they found. But then, after some more searching, they find some human remains. But it's it's just a few bones. It's not it's just like a it's not like a complete set of bones. It's just on the episode it looks like this is two there's a big I don't know cut I don't know what part of the body it is, but it's just like one big bone, a couple other bones, um, around the on the site. But um, since the police didn't have any fingerprints or dental records of Granger's to compare, they weren't 100% sure it was him. But the police are almost certain it's him because it's his car. The coroner with using like the used his discretion. So the fact that it was his car, a piece of the shirt he was wearing, the the the coroner uses his discretion to make an assumption that it was Granger. So the IT Coroner's inquest concluded that uh Granger likely died in an explosion that destroyed the vehicle, and he thought maybe this had happened because Granger had been transporting dynamite at the time, and then it blew up. That the corner that's what the coroner comes up to. And it's not determined whether the explosion was accidental or intentional, and Granger was known to carry dynamite regularly, as it was common commonly used in the area for tree stump removal, and he had experience in handling it. And I guess like maybe before he went missing, some dynamite from his parents' farm had gone missing. So they thought maybe it was him with dynamite. So once the police and the coroner make this assumption, by by law, they were supposed to hand over the bones to the next akin, but in this 2022 episode of Never Queen Again, his family says to this day they never received anything from police. They never received any of his bones, they never received anything. So some people, police included, think they have found Granger, but others are not sure. There's so many people that think that's that's not Granger's body, that's not Granger. Um, so of course the theories and rumors start. So there's a few theories that they touch on on in this episode and I read about online that they think happened to Granger. So the theory, theory number one is the one where he's actually he is off in space. So they think there's a lot of people, including his close friends and his summer members of his family, that believe, and to this day, believe he actually did go to space and he's still there. He was not known to be a liar to make up grandiose stories. So when he went around telling people he was going to space, most people believed that that's where he was going. Which is so crazy to me. Like, you're just gonna go to space by yourself. Like it's the that mindset of this town when it came to this, it's like he went to space seen 42 months. Like it's just weird. It's so strange. It is.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

How old was he when he went missing?

SPEAKER_01 19:10

32.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Okay.

unknown 19:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Cause like honestly, to me, I was thinking, like, was he like having some type of like mental health crisis or something? Cause like that would be my thought. If somebody came up to me and said like that they were going on this interstellar journey for 42 months, like I that's what I would think. Like, oh, like maybe something's not right. Especially like saying it the way that you know, going by yourself, like he's not like an astronaut or something.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Like it's like it's gonna happen when there's a storm because that's why that way no one will hear the UFO. So when the storm came and his best friend is adamant that he went to space, like he said it was gonna happen under the guise of a storm. And then the storm happened. How do you know a storm was gonna happen? I'm like, well, a storm is gonna happen eventually. The first time next time there's gonna be a storm, yeah. Like he made it seem like how did he know? But next time it stormed, he would have won it. Like it's it's a storm's gonna happen sometime.

SPEAKER_00 20:05

So I don't think that's but it just happened to be the storm of the century. Of the century.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

Yeah, like the hundred-year storm they called it. They call it storm of the century.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

How long in advance before the disappearance did he start having those dreams?

SPEAKER_01 20:19

So early November. Early November. And then he went missing on November 29th.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

Oh, okay. So all of November.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Yeah, all of November. But I I bet um he he had started getting I'll talk about this later, but he kind of um had become fascinated with space after some people had spotted, said they had seen UFOs flying. Um he kind of became obsessed with this whole space thing. But as early as November, he started having these dreams. Every night, the same dream. The aliens were coming into his room, telling him they needed him for a mission, and this is what that was gonna happen. And it was gonna happen under a storm when a storm happened. So it's just and then he left that note. It's just so strange. Right? Yeah, it's odd. Okay. It's very weird. I know. So theory number one, he's off in space. So a lot of people, including his close friends and his sister, who he's really close to, they believe he actually did go to space that he's still there. So um his sister even says on the episode Um Never Seen Again, that she thought, okay, he'll be gone for 42 months. He may, he may have gone to space, but if he did, he'll be back. Like he was so like, okay. And she's he's he goes, she goes on to say that Granger was immensely talented and had talents that the aliens could use. So it made sense to her that the aliens would want Granger to go to space to help and help them. And to this day, his family still has hope he will return from space. So that's I'm sorry. It's so weird. Right?

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Yeah, so yes, so that's the first theory. He literally, like what he said he was gonna do in his no, he people think he will. Off to space. That's literally what he went to do. And the aliens came to get to want to storm and off he went. So that's the first theory. And they also say his stepbrother was a Coast Guard, and on the night that Granger was to return, 42 months later, he sat on the deck of the boat and looked up at the sky and watched and waited, but he didn't come back that night or any other night after. So like he's literally looking up, waiting for him.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Wait, how did he know the exact night?

SPEAKER_01 22:24

42 months later. No. Oh no, he didn't say actually. That's a good point. Just 42 months out. Maybe 42 months to the day. Exactly 42 months later. That's maybe.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

I guess, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

November 29th, 49th, 42 months later. Anyway, he looked up the day that he was supposed to return. He spent all that looking up the sky, seen it the UFO would come and drop them off.

unknown 22:47

I know.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

I don't know if this is like normal and like I don't know if Duncan is just like they're the most chill people I've ever met. I never actually never met them, but the most chilled people I've ever heard about. And like they're just so like, you went to space already? I don't know. It's just so that that's the first theory. Theory two is perhaps the government took him to work at a place like Area 51. Like, you know, Area 51, right? Yeah. Like Area 51 is a mysterious corner of a Nevada test site. So again, Granger is someone they could use or would need because of his intelligence. Um he was working, he actually was working on anti-gravity and he knew how to build things. Like he was a genius. He he could build stuff. He was 12 years old and he built a car. Like he was a genius, and that the government might have needed him for artificial intelligence.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

How did they know about him though?

SPEAKER_01 23:37

I don't I don't know. It's the government, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

I mean, I guess, I guess, yeah. Intelligence anyway.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Yes. So I think the government took him and took him and he's working on it. He went to work at Area 51 or something like that. That's another theory.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Um so But why would they not tell the family though?

SPEAKER_01 23:56

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

If it's top secret, like I guess, but like why wouldn't you just say like, we can't explain the details, but like he's working, like or something. Like I find a weird Don't worry, he's fine. And then also like not looping in like you think if it was a government and they like took him, you'd think they would loop in like the local police and be like, actually, he's not missing, so you don't have to like spend your time and resources like searching for this person who's not actually missing. And that doesn't explain the car either. Like, why would the gov I mean, I don't know. Who knows? I mean, the government could do crazy things, but it's just weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

Yeah, it's very weird. So that's the second theory. So the third theory is the the blast. So it's like like I said, when the vehicle was found, it looked like there had been an explosion. So they think Granger blew himself up trying to get to space. He was familiar with dynamite and some dynamite, like I said, had gone missing from his parents' property the night he disappeared. Um, and residents of Duncan said they remember hearing a big boom not long after Granger left in his truck. And they're like, so they're wondering, was the boom the sound of the UFO leaving Earth to Granger inside? Or was it the sound of Granger blowing himself up accidentally or not? Or could it could it have been thunder? Because it was the storm of the century that night. So they think he blew himself up trying to get to space. That's another theory. What she kind of seemed, I mean, I'm kind of leaning toward that one.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Or it could have been like a transformer blowing from the storm. Exactly. Yeah. Struck by lightning or something.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

It makes sense like why the aliens said they would come that night, because they the sound of the UFO could be thunder, it could be anybody. Like they that's why they they were choosing the storm. It's just uh it's just isn't this crazy? Back in 19, so this is kind of like a background of what kind of made Granger go into his love for like spaceships and stuff. Back in 1969, four staff at the hospital reported scene at 5 a.m. in the morning a brilliant, bright lit flying saucer hovering outside the window about three stories off the ground. One of the nurses claimed to have seen two humanoid pilots standing in the cockpit through its window. Um the nurse watched as it drifted behind a grove of trees before flying away into the night sky. Later that morning and throughout the following night, residents from all over the town of Doncan came forward with reports of a similar-looking UFO flying throughout the region. So for months, everyone became obsessed with these sightings, and it was the talk of the town, and it seemed like Granger had jumped on the bandwagon too. Not long after he finished his locomotive he was building, he became interested in the dynamics of air air travel, and he ended up getting his pilot license. So in 1969, people, and we've heard it's before, like people say they said they saw UFO or whatever. I don't know. And like if that's I don't know how I feel about that, but anyway, I guess 1969, a bunch of people, even someone from the um, like this one pilot, he they all said they saw this client's aucer hovering above the ground. It's just it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

Yeah. It's night and also 1969 is a little bit significant in my mind because that's the year of the moon landing. Yeah. So maybe the aliens were pissed.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Yeah. Like they invade you invaded us, we're invading you.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Yeah, like you came yeah, anyway. It's just right. So I think maybe that's cut that that kind of they they trace that back to where Granger's kind of interest in space started because of these sight aches that everyone had. So despite the best efforts of the police investigators, they were never able to determine where the blast blast site actually was. They saw the aftermath, but they don't know where it actually happened. They think that that's where like the truck like they landed there, but they can't find it where actually the blast site actually happened. So theory number four is suicide. So people close to him say he was not suicidal at all. He never had mental health issues, but it does emerge that he did have a history of using LSD. He used it a lot in his 20s, and as you know, well, maybe you don't know, but LSD, like, you can get like LSD flashbacks years after using it, and kind of go like people get hallucinations years after using it. But by the time he hit the hit his 30s, he mellowed out, and his best friend said he didn't use those drugs anymore. He just he smoked weed and alcohol, but that was it. Um, but like I said, LSD can have long lifelong effects, and even if you don't use it for years, sometimes flashbacks can come out out of nowhere. So people think he was using LSD again, or the LSD usage likely contributed to maybe maybe made mental health issues or not. So it's just so weird. People close to him, a lot of people say he didn't have any mental health issues. Other people say he was struggling mentally. They said his mental health had started to decline in recent months before he vanished. Um, there's actually an article in Vice magazine that back in 2016 um that reports that he had been using LSD regularly before his period. But his best friend's like, he didn't, once he hit 30, he never used it again. So, I mean, we never know.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

It's like this Sometimes your best friend doesn't know everything about you, though.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

I know, I know. And he's but he's like, he's like, no, we never used it. Well, he left that depart in his 20s, he didn't use it. Uh by other people are like, no, he was still he was still using acid. So his stepbrother thinks Granger killed himself. His stepbrother thinks that. Um, he thinks, but no, he's serious, he thinks he took his own life. So that's theory number four. Theory number five is he said a lot of people think he relo relocated to like Colombia or Mexico. One of his friends from Colombia gave him these leaves to build a tree, but the climate at BC was not right. And he was saying how much it would throw how much how nice it'd be to go to a farm in South America, and people think he took off to South Mexica, Colombia or South South South America. So maybe he moved abroad to become a farmer of some sort and never told anybody, so that's another theory. So those are the five theories that the big five five theories that people think. I think I don't know those theories. I think he probably blew himself up trying to get to space because he was adamant he was going to space. That's what I think. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Yeah, I think I mean, just based on this last half an hour of learning about this case, um, I don't know, I feel like he probably was maybe having some type of mental health disorder, like mental health crisis or something, and like was adamant that he was going to space and blew himself up. Maybe like, yeah, trying to get there, thinking in his own mind he was going to go there and just blew himself up. Maybe he was having those dreams as part of like either LSD flashback or like just psychosis.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

And when it was the storm A storm, the voice in his head is like Jason Iight. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Yeah. So then he that's when he did it, I think. So blew himself up thinking that he was gonna go to space or something.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Yeah. So Granger Taylor was legal was declared legally dead in 1986, much um not long after that vehicle was found. Um and the date of his death was listed as November 30th, 1980, which I'm not sure why, but that's he went missing the 29th, but he was declared dead on the 30th. I keep they they say died on the 30th because they think he blew himself up that night. But there's still so many questions to this day. It's like, so was it Granger? Inconclusive. And like was it Granger at the site? It's inconclusive. Like they don't know for sure. They never could test those bones. They don't know what was Granger. The bones, anyway.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Why couldn't they test them again?

SPEAKER_01 31:19

They just didn't have any they had no fingerprints. They didn't con they had nothing to confirm against, like no fingerprints, no dental records. No DNA of him at all. So they couldn't Weird. Yeah. So was it Granger inconclusive? Was it Granger's truck? That's also inclusive. Like people think it's not his truck, but it's his registrations. Like they still to this day, like that's they don't think it they they still don't, they're not 100% sure that that was his truck, which is just weird to me. So the debate still wages on four decades later. Like the color of the truck is still under bait. Like on the end of that episode, it says the color of the truck has never been settled, like it's never been confirmed, like it's crazy. His parents who have since passed, they had kept his room intact since the day he left, and they still to this day his family keeps the back door unlocked. For when Granger does come home, because they believe he will come home. He's gonna walk in the door from his voyage. And his sister says, like in this interview, like, space is a different time zone than us. So when Granger does come back from space, we're not gonna be alive. But Granger's still gonna look the same as he did when he left. And then she jokes that the best anti-aging product is space. And that's where the episode ends.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

So he could like walk home like 300 years from now, but it's only been like not that.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

That's it's such like when Granger does come back, we're not gonna be alive. But he's gonna he's gonna still look 32 years old. And he's gonna walk through and they keep the back door unlocked for when Granger does come home. And um it's still like the police think it's concluded. That was him. They found his truck that he he he's he exploded. But people in Duncan is like his best friend even said, like, he doesn't believe he doesn't, he never really believed in aliens or that aliens ever come came to Earth. But he's like, Grange is not here. Like he's like, I don't believe in aliens. I don't believe like they would ever come to Earth. But he's like, I also think since Grange is not here, he has to be in space. Like he had like he can't fathom that he just left or like had a mental health crisis.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

I find it crazy that like like they find they find the vehicle, they find the bones, but somehow that is less of a reasonable explanation than he went to space. That like it seems like it's kind of cut and dry. Like it's weird that they would say, oh no, that's more unlikely than the fact that he did go to space.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

And like he the his best friend was saying, like, the cops didn't really talk. He's saying the cops never once talked to him. He was the last person to see Granger, and he's like the cops back, he's like from 1980 to 2022 when this episode aired, he's like the cops never once came to talk to me. But the cop on the episode's like, actually we did. He just doesn't remember. It's like so many things, like no, like, and then they're thinking like the cops didn't really try to investigate it too much because they just as soon as they saw in the truck, they're like, that's Granger, no, no problem. Like, yeah. But the and the coroner's like, I'm not even sure I'm coroner's like, I'm not even sure it is him, but based off A, B, and C, I'm gonna assume it is. So it was never fully confirmed if it was him.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

So I mean, so people I feel like the like the coroners and the police, they can't operate on this level of like space is an ex is an actual explanation. So they have to like go based on like what's actually like tangible, which seems like the vehicle with the VIN number and the bones, and like so. Obviously, all of like the officials, like the police and like the medical exam, all that stuff, whatever, is gonna be like, okay, this is him. Because like they can't base it on a reality of like he's gone to space as a reasonable explanation. Like, that's not how the police are gonna operate.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Yeah. So but I mean, it's considered to most residents of Vancouver Island of Duncan still unsolved, and it's one of the it's one of the weirdest mysteries of it's the weirdest mystery of Vancouver Island. Like, did this guy go really go to space? People think he's still up there and he went to space to go help the aliens with whatever. And I think the weirdest part is just how laid back they are about that outcome. Like, it's just just like when he comes back from space, we won't be here, but like, I don't know. And she's like, it's just, it's weird. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

Like I said, I find it so bizarre that like that's seems like more reasonable to them than the fact that that was his remains in that car. Like, it's weird. I mean, I guess they obviously know knew him. Like, we can't speak to obviously what he would have been like, or maybe like to him though, like that family that does it, like a that's a logical explanation because they just know him and they believed him for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

So And and he's a genius, and then like aliens could use him. And I I I I guess if you believe in aliens, watch I don't I mean I believe in aliens, but I guess if you believe like if you really do believe that they come down here to do whatever, I don't know, like they were just so like you went on an interstellar voyage for 42 months to be back. It's just so much.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

I mean, obviously, like if you don't believe like obviously if you don't believe in aliens, you're gonna go with the logical explanation of that's him in the car. But if um if you do believe in aliens, then obviously you're gonna believe the alien theory. Like it's gonna separate the people, the believers, but like but I feel like I do believe in aliens, but yet still don't think that that's what happened, which is weird.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

But well, we kind of talked a little bit about this before we recorded, but like I don't know if I b like I believe in other life outside of Earth, but like in terms of like alien UFOs abducting people and like doing experiments and stuff, whatever. Like, I don't know if I believe that, but I do believe obviously there's other life. So I don't know. Oh but I also feel bad too because I always I'm like I want to be open-minded because like I would hate to be someone who actually did know something and like people didn't believe me.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

Like if if like if it was true and like people just wouldn't believe you. So I always hate being that person and like being closed-minded. So I want to be have an open mind, but like when you lay out the facts of the case, I don't know. I just feel it's hard. I don't know. But I also feel bad because I don't want to like discredit the family and be like, no, they just I feel like don't his his friend that they interviewed all the episode of Never Seen Again.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

I got the vibe that he's probably the closest friend to him. He he he was very ups he's very upset. Like I think it really hurts him the fact that the fact that the great it could have been any other like him going to space seems like the least hurtful. Like he he was like adamant that Granger wouldn't have left him without say like he wouldn't have killed himself, he wouldn't have done any got started a new life without saying goodbye. Like he just I think and he was like I think some people cling on to like the least hurtful outcome because they can't imagine that he was like mentally ill, like you know what I mean? Well and he's like he makes him feel better that he's still alive in space doing his thing. Like, you know, but yeah, I mean it's it's it's still a mystery, but it's still a debate, it's still and and also was that his like the color of his truck? It's crazy. He but he was a genius, like that he that not people like he literally was. And so people think like the alien other for other life forces needed him to help build stuff, you know. I mean or the government. Yeah, and you think like the everyone, like a lot of people's sister, who's closest person to him, is like he had talents that anyone could that government or that peop that people need. Like he had the skills that people that that people need from like so maybe the government did take companies in the area for Juan. Maybe he's working in space, building you know what I mean, like but I I think the craziest part of the case was um the blasé nature of he's in space and he'll be back. I can't wait until he comes back from space, you know. It's so weird, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:14

I mean, if if that is what happened and he does come back, it's a good thing. It's a beer, it's amazing, fascinating what he has to say, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

Yeah. It's like like I said, I have want to have an open mind, but also you have to like you have to go with what the facts are showing.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

But um You know, people say he did have mental health, other people said he was struggling. He was using LSD. I think I really do think um he was having like trips from hallucinations of aliens, and then the night as soon as the storm came, you know, he got that that like he probably had dreams of the storm of the alien saying, like the first storm, next storm, that's when we that's when you have to come with us. So the storm comes, he writes that note, tapes it to his parents' door, takes off. Like, and then I think maybe like they maybe the aliens told him, like, this is how you get to us. So he tried to he blew himself up, thinking he was gonna blow himself up to space and he didn't realize he was actually killing gonna kill himself, you know. I think he maybe he might have been in like a fog of some sort and he accidentally killed himself. That's what I think. And everyone else was like, Well, what happened to the rest of his bones? But to me, it's like it's in the middle of the woods. Animals took it. It's been it was he was he was it like six years. Like, well, who knows how long he was like it was six years later he was the bones were found. But to me, like only three bones being there is not a big is nothing because it's in the middle of the woods, in the middle of the mountain. Like as far as there's any bones left, you know? Yeah. So so that's not that's not like some people were hitting like what like what where's the rest of his bones? But that's not really anything insidious to me because any animal could have taken them.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Yeah. And like, and like I said, I think you have to go back to for me, it's like you have to go back to like the VIN number. The VIN number, like that is literally the point of the VIN number. You know it's the car. So I would say you can't get all I feel like you shouldn't be spending your time being like, well, it's not his car despite the VIN number because of the color. You would have to like start thinking about, okay, it is his car. So how do we explain the color? Like that to me, you have to move on from it's not his. I feel like you have to it is his. The VIN number it is, it has to be. So you have to think about, okay, well, if we know it's his car, but but with the color is inconsistent, how do we explain that? Not like, oh, well, it's not his car. Well, I think it is his car. It's the VIN. So like you have to, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

When when the police find that out and they announce that that's like you think you think like, okay, that like okay, people don't ask questions. That's that's like the ask questions, but okay, that is his truck, no dispute. But the fact that it was so still to this day widely disputed, like, that's not his truck. Even though it's his VIN number, that is not his truck. It's so it's and that's not the color. But I mean, there's that's a bunch of fascinating things. Like, like I ty I even Googled it. I said, what was the color of Glenge's truck the night he took the money went missing? And they still say people say it was pertocabismal pink, people say it was gray, it was never blue. Um, and it's and it's still unsettled to this day, the debate of what color his truck was, you know. It's just it's just very weird. Um, and so it's been over 40 years since he went missing. He was declared legally dead in 1986, but his parents have since passed, but yeah, I said they keep the backdoor open for him when he comes from when he comes home from his mission. And so people think he's still gonna like in the vid like people think he is still he will come back one day from space.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Crazy.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

So yeah, maybe he will maybe he will. And maybe he wouldn't have aged a day, he'll still be 32. And it's just funny, like the sister's so adamant. She's like, like space has a different time zone. Like she's and then she's like, you know, he'll he'll he won't have age a day when he does come back. Um and they're just so like chill about it. I just thought that was I just thought that was weird. Like to me, it's if someone felt like they acted like it was it was possible, you know, not impossible. It's I don't know. It's just but yeah, that is so that's the case of going to Taylor, and it's just a mystery. You know, where is he? Was that him found in the woods? Like is he at space? So I don't know, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:37

That's a unique one for sure.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

That's weird, but I I I was came across the episode and I was just hooked and I was just watching it, and I was like, I have to talk about this case. Yeah, anyway, that's that's the case of Grangia Taylor. And I I it wouldn't it wouldn't it be crazy if you know the news came that he comes walking out of the woods one day looking The same, he's like, I was in space. You know what I mean? Wouldn't that be crazy?

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Yeah. I mean, yeah. So nothing's impossible, I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

That'd be the craziest update we'd ever provide for sure.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:14

Um, but yeah. Wow. All right. So that does it for this week's episode of Crime Family. So if you are a fan of the show, um, you want to follow us on socials, you can reach us or find us at Crime Family Podcast on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and you can watch the video versions of our episodes on Spotify as well as YouTube. So you can go to YouTube, type in Crime Family Podcast, you will find us. That is where the video versions of these will live. Also on Spotify. Like I said, if you are listening on Apple Podcasts or anywhere else, it will just be the audio. Um, so you have to go find us at those two places if you want the video version. You can also send us an email if you have any case suggestions or feedback or theories on any of the cases that we've covered, like this one or others. So you can email us at crimefamilypodcast at gmail.com. And yeah, that's um that does it for this week. We'll be back next week. We are going to be starting, starting next week, we are going to be doing a three-part mini-series um for our finale. So next week we will be back with a part one of the three-part finale. Um, I won't tell you what case it is or what the theme is, um, but you'll tune in next you'll have to tune in next week for for that. But we'll be back next week with a part one of our finale. So thank you so much and thank you for listening. Hope you enjoyed this week's episode. And uh until then, take care. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Bye.